SEVEN QUESTIONS and one panel consisting of 4 writers with 4 different views about Allegri. Part 2.
Manager Max Allegri is entering his third season with the club and after losing the first match of the season against Sampdoria, found himself back on the hot seat. We brought in a panel of writers to give their opinions on Allegri and his future with Milan.
They are Football Italia’s David Swan, Forza Italian Football’s Rajath Kumar and MilanObsession’s Elaine and Rossoneriblog’s Pete Acquaviva. The final three questions will be discussed in this portion, with a first four questions answered on Thursday.
Inzaghi on Milan, Pazzini, coaching and more…
Allegri: “Amount of Milan injuries is not so high”
Question: Do you believe Allegri will make it through this season with his job intact?
David Swan: Providing he stays on course for a top three finish, yes. The money from the Champions League is so incredibly important to the club, especially with the finances as they are, that he has to make third at least. If he turns the New Year miles off third, or even hits February/March time in this position, then I can see him getting a panic sack as the club desperately scramble to reach the Champions League.
Pete Acquaviva: I do believe Max Allegri will make it through this season, however, that is contingent upon his ability to stay near the top of the table. His previous starts of 5 points in 5 games will not be good enough this time. He has a significant amount more pressure on his shoulders this year (as well, perhaps, as a forced new outlook to matches without Ibrahimovic) and it will be the real test of his abilities as a manager if he can finish in the top 3 and challenge for the Scudetto (which as Udinese showed last year, are not necessarily one and the same). I believe he will. In the most uninspiring, and least “flair-ful” way possible.
Elaine: This is really up to Berlusconi and Galliani and the availability of another coach. Personally, I don’t think he should stay. There are several forces at work here: management, the financial crisis, the player exodus, and the transfer market. Of those, only one of the four did he have a hand in, but the other three are not things that he can control, either. So for his player management and the part that he has played in the discord, lack of discipline, and players departing, I think he should be accountable for those things. This may not seem fair with so much more going on outside of his control, but the team needs more than just a few of these new players. It needs to be shaken up, turned upside down, and given a new direction, a new system of playing, etc. Unfortunately for Allegri, that involves his exit. And no, I do not believe that long term success will come without doing something this major.
Rajath Kumar: No. Milan are unlikely to mount a serious challenge for a top 3 position. Once he starts faltering, Berlusconi’s trigger finger will become itchy and he will waste no time in ridding Allegri of his post. The future does seem all doom and gloom for the club. I anticipate Allegri will be out of the job by mid-season, although it would be a sad ending.
When Allegri doesn’t train Milan, he perhaps likes to go on Party Casino and play Blackjack or roulette !
Question: Blaming coaches is nothing new in football, however Allegri in particular seems to garner criticism from fans of Milan and opponents alike. Why do you think this is? Is it valid criticism?
David Swan: I understand why opposition fans dislike him – he does come across as a bit of an ass sometimes with his comments. Last season wasn’t great for him – his moaning endeared him to nobody, though I think he was justified sometimes with his comments on Juventus’ laughable complaining about referees. Otherwise I accept others won’t like him. As for his own fans – who knows!? There are a couple of people on this page who can answer this better, because I don’t mind him. I think some are upset at his getting rid of the ‘senators’ – but it had to be done. Gattuso was well past his best and should have gone last summer. Zambrotta was playing at an unacceptably low level. Inzaghi was getting zero football – and rightly so with the quality Milan had in attack last season – so it’s easy to see why he was let go. Everyone seems to forget this was a man that threw the toys out of the pram when Allegri didn’t play him in the Champions League. And let’s get one thing straight – it wasn’t all because of his fierce desire to play for Milan, he saw Raúl tearing it up with Schalke and wanted chances to keep with him in the European goals chart, which I find sad. Nesta was offered a contract but turned it down because he correctly deduced he wouldn’t play all the time. And despite everyone blaming him for Pirlo’s departure, he too was offered a contract, but turned it down. Then he gave different reasons for leaving – first it was because Allegri wanted to use him in a different position, then he said actually he didn’t mind adapting but wasn’t happy with the contract. But everyone still blames Allegri for making the right decision for the team – Milan couldn’t sustain Pirlo in that role anymore. Just look at the few games where he was used in that role during the 2010-11 season – the home game against Palermo in the Coppa Italia sticks in my mind. You have to build around Pirlo to get the best from him, and Allegri didn’t want an already old team built around a 32-year-old. He takes the flack from his own fans for making the tough decisions that had to be made.
Pete Acquaviva: Fans don’t like Allegri for several reasons:
1) He’s rude in press conferences – valid
2) He oversaw the transition from the last successful generation of players into the new generation (which meant escorting out the old legends of the club, never going to be a popular job) – not valid – If he didn’t do this, someone else would. There has to be a villain here, and Allegri is willing to be that man.
3) The brand of football Milan play under him is the exact opposite of what made Milan great in the mid 2000′s and represents a 180 degree turn. – valid
4) He’s the only person that talks about Muntari’s goal more than Galliani. – valid
5) “Dai Dai Dai!” – valid
6) He’s an easy scapegoat. Are most of the problems with Milan’s current structure his fault? Certainly not – however he’s got his own problems to deal with and it’s far easier to blame him and say that the coach simply needs to go than to take a good hard look at the organization and realize that this transition is much more than just a coach, his tactics, and his player selection. – not valid
Elaine: Allegri is not a likeable guy. He lacks charm or charisma, and his dark sense of humor is lost on too many people, especially the opposition fans. Any coach that is winning is accepted, but not always respected. I think that having lost control of his dressing room, it is hard for fans and those outside the club to respect him. Having been openly criticized by management, having stories emerge of fights with players – and not just one or two players or the usual suspects. Watching Seedorf storm off the pitch after being subbed showed that something more was going on than meets the eye, and that is the manager’s responsibility to keep in check. I think his words about referees last season, while well-intentioned, came off as sanctimonious, and then of course, he fell off of his own pedestal and said the same kinds of things as he was criticizing opponents for, becoming a hypocrite. I don’t believe you get past that while with the same club. I believe he will have to wipe the slate clean at a new club before those memories fade, if they do. I also find it interesting that all of my Juventus fan friends think that he is a mediocre or poor coach. They see the “ugly” football he has had the team playing, with the “pass it to Ibra” mentality, and they don’t see how well he’s managed the injury crisis or how he gets the most out of players like Abate or how he took players who had discipline issues at other clubs and turned them into respectable, upstanding players, capable of working together. Because much of what he does so well flies under the radar, and the things he does poorly, like press conferences, player management and functional-but-not-beautiful football, are what is on display most. Back to that charisma, a little would go a long way. He was never going to be a popular coach. It doesn’t mean he’s not a good coach. But I also feel his learning curve at Milan may be too low to make a difference anymore, and thus he would do well professionally to move on. Certainly, losing him could be just the shakeup that the team needs, too. Saturday’s win at Bologna was not so much a tactical victory, but rather a gamble he took by playing Pazzini when not match fit, and won. Although his unwillingness to sub him off until the 91st could have easily been cause for another injury. Against a stronger team, a defense featuring Bonera would never have withstood an attack like that, and the yellow cards earned by tired, sloppy players, are going to catch up to us and hurt us. It is also telling that he had to defend his relationship with Galliani yet again to the media after the match. While the new reinforcements should help considerably to make the squad competitive and compliment his preferred system of play, it is only a matter of time before his trademark stubbornness, poor player relations, and lack of proper player rotation cause the squad to implode again, but this time with a lot more competition for the top three spots. It’s time to cut our losses with Allegri and let everyone move on.
Rajath Kumar: It is valid, as he fails to learn from his mistakes. His small-club mentality and late game substitutions, his refusal to alter the system to counter the opposition and his failure to rotate the squad are some of the reasons that should be lambasted. However, one must credit him for maintaining harmony in the dressing room. His man-management skills are top-drawer, for which he is often not appreciated. However, he is constantly outclassed on the pitch tactically by shrewder opponents.
Question: What is Max’s future at the club? Can he become the manager that is expected to lead the new-look Milan as it is formed?
David Swan: I hope so. I know lots say he’s a provincial coach with a provincial mindset. I can understand why this is said, but he deserves a chance to show he isn’t and there have been times where he has shown this already. But I have a feeling he will lose his job in the not too distant future. Those that dislike him will be happy and I can see the new guy being a success and that being used as justification that Allegri sucked. He will have played his part though – somebody had to get rid of the old players, somebody had to make the tough decisions with players and to freshen things up. No-one will appreciate the job he’s done until he’s gone, at which point I hope people recognise that he laid the foundations for future success.
Pete Acquaviva: I don’t believe Max has much more of a future at Milan. As Galliani has stated, managers can expect to get four years with a top team like Milan. He’s in his third year now, meaning if he’s successful at achieving the goals of this year, he will most likely be allowed to finish out his contract at the end of next season. However, the brand of football that he plays is not the most appeasing to the eye, to say the least. It’s often uninspired, mechanical, and devoid of any sort of joy. This isn’t the brand of football that people pay to see (evident in part - although not certainly the primary cause of – of the season ticket numbers), and at the end of the day that is one of the main ways to make revenue at a club like Milan. With all the restructuring going on, I feel that Galliani and Berlusconi would be remiss to not take a look at Allegri’s job in all of this. He wasn’t given the support (especially financially) that Ancelotti, Capello or Sacchi before him were given, but would anyone really put Allegri in that same category? Can he be that manager? Never say never, but I don’t think he has much of a chance to do that unless the brand of football his squad plays suddenly becomes more appeasing.
Elaine: Sadly, I don’t think he has a future with Milan. If anyone could create the “new-look Milan,” it should be him. But I think he’s burned too many bridges, created discord within the squad and amongst the fans and opposition fans to the point that it is too much to overcome. I think management’s public criticism of him and always talking about tactics in the media has undermined his respect across the board, and I simply don’t see how he lasts long enough to bring this “project” to fruition. I also believe that his poor treatment of players alone could derail this “project,” harming the club further, should he stay.
Rajath Kumar: I see him being a care-taker until the management appoints a world-class coach, for example Guardiola. Allegri’s long-term future is a question mark, and will remain so, unless he makes in-roads in the Champions League. The last two seasons have been distinctly average and early signs suggest this season is not going to be any different. His achievements in Serie A, although impressive, aren’t going to win the management over, who always seek for European glory. Personally, Allegri’s style likes bravado and personality. So I much rather see him elsewhere than at Milan over the long haul.
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September 8th, 2012 on 3:05 pm
i think we should stop criticizing Allegri as i feel he’s doing what he possible without a silva or zlatan …. whre as capello had MVB… Ruud and ancelloti had kaka Shevchenko but he seems to be having no one now and more importntly some fringe players who uncle fester thinks can make a big difference …. but sorry to say don’t think that’s possible at all in big club such as Milan who have a great history….. and when other teams are doing everything possible to strengthen their squad… i feel the management aren’t doing enough for re-building Milan
September 8th, 2012 on 3:28 pm
Pls let him b, wn d transfer was open mr b&b fails 2 brg dis money out n nw u piple wt 2 stick him pls stop it.
September 8th, 2012 on 3:56 pm
David Swan: “You have to build around Pirlo to get the best from him, and Allegri didn’t want an already old team built around a 32-year-old.” Yeah I can’t imagine that working out for Juventus or the National Team. Jesus…
September 8th, 2012 on 6:47 pm
To a very great extent ”David Swan” was spot on. It’s like You’ve forgotten Milan is rebuilding itself,so yeah it was necessary to not build around an old guard in Milan.
September 8th, 2012 on 7:46 pm
The old guard — Inzaghi, Gattuso, Seedorf, Zambro, Nesta — were obviously either going or staying but not playing much. Therefore the “building an already old team around 32-year old Pirlo” argument doesn’t make much sense if the “old” guys aren’t there. We could have Pirlo there now dictating play to our younger team if it wasn’t for Allegri and B&G. You don’t let the best midfielder of his generation go to your rivals for free. Major cock-up if you ask me.
September 8th, 2012 on 4:16 pm
OMG… I couldnt agree less with Elaine; therefore, I am going to follow her on twitter. The thing that I couldnt understand until now is why Rajath Kumar said Allegri can harmonise the dressing room? I personally believe that Milan doesnt have that ‘unique’ dressing room like before, and our dressing room has been quite a disaster. Gattuso, Pirlo, Inzaghi were directly/indirectly indicated this
September 8th, 2012 on 4:43 pm
WE SHOULD STOP BLAMING MAXI BEC IS NOT HIM WHO SELL ZLATAN AND T.SILVA TO PSG AND LET HOPE HE WILL MAKE IT.
September 8th, 2012 on 4:53 pm
I think you guys should shutup your mouth and atleast show some respect for this guy{Allegri}.I said it before, he is the best milan can have with the management not ready to reneiforce the team…I even wish I could speak to Allegri in person,I would ask him to resign and safe his head from all this bullshit from the media and this so call analyst…bravo Allegri.
September 8th, 2012 on 6:25 pm
Right on Dude…! This constant criticism of Allegri is getting boring by the minute.
September 8th, 2012 on 5:30 pm
I think the part 1 of this is a lot better than this.allegri is gud.Elaine obviously has personal issues wit d coach.I don’t see a beta coach last in d league last season.he was d only one that in reality defeated juve bt for officiating.despite d injury his team stil scored d highest number of goals,defeated arsenal 4-0 something even carlo cld nt do wit a beta team.even barca needed bad officiatin to defeat d deplated team.and bcos he does nt say it lik conte does not me he doesn’t change tactics.talkin about dressing room,d senators ddnt want to leav bt sombody had to do d job…and for the record nobody cares abt wat other teams fans feel about our coach…I see more of the positives.
September 8th, 2012 on 6:35 pm
Thank You Dude…! The part about,opposition fans not liking Max is somewhat glib.I can’t believe they were expecting Inter,Roma,Palermo fans to like Max….lol!!
September 8th, 2012 on 5:34 pm
The panel seems to be spot on with most issues related to Allegri, But I as a fan or any football fanatic likens his coach depending on how dominant he is over the team, Coaches like Mou may spend lots of money and bring in players but one can identify the kind of relationship he has with his players, Most players tend to say the FATHER FIGURE like. A Coach like SAF has accomplished a lot with old war horses like Scholes Gigs Rio etc, Where our own Allegri has failed to connect with the Senators which i think is a failure because of his nature. A Coach like Wenger has been criticized by fans for not winning anything but then he has always turned ordinary players to World Class players and has brought in enough profits to the management who love him lots, Then we have AVB who is a young guy but his problems were similar to that of Allegri and he was shown the door, Conte on the other hand has been a revolution because he was very sensible and intelligent in decision making and towards the media and he handled his players very well. To summarize Allegri – He is just numb and dumb, his rigid poor combinations and cribbing over spilled milk has made him a villain among media circles. It’s better Allegri leaves by himself to a mid/low table team so he can learn more and relieve himself from pressure in protecting the legacy of a club like Milan.
September 8th, 2012 on 7:03 pm
i think its right that this Elaine has personal issues with Allegri….”Allegri is not a likeable guy. He lacks charm or charisma, and his dark
sense of humor is lost….” lol, dis is a coaching job not a Mr Italy or modelling contract. And who cares if juve fans dnt like him? Frankly i would be suspecting him if they did.
And i agree with d guy dat said dat if he knew max personally he would tell him to resign frm d BS. He dosent deserve all these. May he leave and stick with ur leaonardo type coach.(remember milan vs man u, under leonardo?, compare it with milan vs barca, best team in the world, under allegri). U knw au many coaches morratti tried after mou, and he’s yet to find d right man, we were lucky to find d right on d first try, a man who immediately balanced the team and won d league in his first try.
I’m nt sure bng is stupid enough to bring pep, but if they do, dat wud b d last thing they ever do as milan’s management, cuz it wud totally destroy milan.
September 8th, 2012 on 7:15 pm
Har..har…har…har..har..! You got me…You got me real good on the ”Mr Italy” statement.Lmao
September 8th, 2012 on 7:07 pm
Just glad to know dat i’m not d only one dat feels the best thing Allegri has done for Milan was getting rid of the so-called senators.
I can remember Seedorf drawing the team back whenever he played.
I can remember Gattuso unable to hold on to his man after his eye problems.
Pirlo didn’t want to cut his wages and Allegri wanted a more Defensive Regista.
Inzaghi just cudn’t play as he wanted.
Like i said before d only person i believed still had something to offer was Nesta but David Swan was spot on as to why he left.
I like Allegri.
He is a good coach and he has proved it already.
Its just that his ideologies is not what Milan is known for.
David Swan was spot on when he said he wudn’t last long on d bench and i think this wud be his last season.
But u all must knw one thing no coach dat can fully satisfy us wud accept this current team.
The problem is the management. If they don’t have enuff money to ensure dat we stay at d top of Italian and European football, they must sell the club.
Otherwise, sacking Allegri wud make no difference.
Forza Milan!
Forza Allegri!
Forza Italia!
September 8th, 2012 on 8:03 pm
Sometimes I don’t understand what some guys are thinking. How in the hell do you expect other fans from rival clubs to like milan coach, even if milan hire pep or mou, we ar league rivals and the fact that we are milan will make them hate our coach the more…
September 8th, 2012 on 8:40 pm
If one analyze carefully on the opinions of that Eliane guy,You could tell,he has a feeling of aversion towards Max.To him it’s like all the problems that have engulfed Milan…are thanks to the works of the coach.
The point about players sending negative signals after being subbed is something we see every now and then in other teams.Unruly players showing off after getting subbed doesn’t mean the coach is incompetent in exerting power and authority in the team.[Mourinho and Balotelli/Ferguson and rooney/Mancini and Tevez] all are examples…but does it mean the coaches have lost control of the team?
September 9th, 2012 on 10:14 pm
If you analyze carefully, you’ll notice Elaine is not a guy. Also, if you analyze carefully, the questions were about Allegri. But she still mentioned management problems in all 3 answers, so she’s not blaming only him.
Seedorf is no Balotelli, Rooney, or Tevez. That’s what makes this different. Maybe you could analyze a little more carefully?
September 8th, 2012 on 8:42 pm
U don’t gv smbody a rotten wood n xpect him 2 turn it n2 a bar of gold.can Mou.do anythg substantial wt d kind of players Allegri has @ hs disposal?even wt all d qualities madrid hv,they don’t play d most attractv ftbol in d world under Mou.thou we want d most attractv-effectv ftbol in milan.BnG shud gv him d right players n stop selling d gud ones we hv.even pep had d likes of messi,iniesta n co.
September 8th, 2012 on 8:43 pm
Allegri is beaten in every single match tactically. he never changes the system at all, uses the same exact passing schemes, always a slow tempo, no room for a playmaker to slip a pass through the lines…
we were lucky to win against bolonga. they created far more chances than we did and we only won because of a horrible goalkeeper error by agliardi.
that is the trademark of allegri: play 3 defensive midfielders and tell one of them to go box to box, then hope the forwards can create a goal from nothing as they get no good service or balls played through to them.
Allegri is a horrible tactician who relies on the quality in the team to just barely scrape results.
and he never rotates the squad for whatever reason. nocerino was done by february of last year. abate was overplayed too. the only thing he does is sub off robinho at 65 minutes every match which clearly angers the player.
i don’t like allegri and its not just because he forced out so many players, its because he forced out so many players and now exposed as a horrible coach. without ibra and t silva and seedorf and others to make him look good, he still plays the same tactics. we were 2nd last year with a much better squad and a weaker league. now 3rd place would be a miracle under allegri.
September 8th, 2012 on 10:01 pm
Allegri can coach barce,madrid,man u,psg,man city and chelsea b’cos they have quality and world-class players. Pep was successful b’cos of messi,iniesta,xavi and co. Give Allegri the right players and see how successful he will be. He is better than Tito vilanova but Tito is coaching barce. Stop bashing him b’cos no coach can win anything with these mediocres.
September 8th, 2012 on 11:44 pm
Allegri as coach of Barcelona:
-Valdes
Puyol – Pique – Montoya – Abidal
Song – Busquets – Mascherano
Alves – Messi – Iniesta
he would rather play 4-3-1-2 but he doesn’t have any more defensive midfielders to play at trequartista so he has to use iniesta wide left instead
September 9th, 2012 on 10:41 pm
Lol he could use Alves as a trequartista, the way he uses Urby as one…
September 8th, 2012 on 10:32 pm
Wow, some people pay really good money for psychoanalysis, I didn’t realize I could get it for free right here on this blog.
For the record, I have always been a staunch supporter of Allegri. Anyone who has read my blog knows this. In fact, this discussion was born from a conversation on Twitter because people were very surprised to hear me say that I thought that Allegri’s time was up.
I still like Allegri. I think he is hilarious, too, I often refer to his press conferences as a one man comedy show. For anyone who has the wrong impression, please re-read the questions carefully, much of what I was answering was about what others thought.
But I do think that at this point, he needs to be sacrificed for the good of the club, even if I also think it’s unfair and would like to give him more time, personally. I still think he has faults, and don’t have a problem with him being held accountable for that part of it. But he is absolutely not the one to blame for most of what is going wrong with the club… that’s another 30 posts at least this long.
September 9th, 2012 on 12:12 am
Elaine and Rajath
WAT DO U HAVE AGAINST ALLEGRI?
And Guardiola a world-class coach? Seriously? Are u kidding me? If he comes to Milan we’ll be even more screwed
September 9th, 2012 on 2:49 am
Seriously,Elaine should drop the Allegri witch-hunt.All I got from her was blah blah blah Inzaghi blah blah Seedorf blah blah..The Senators had to leave and if they weren’t gonna,someone had to make them.I agree with Pete.Someone had to be the bad guy and Allegri chose to be the bad guy and that’s why fans hate him.After all said and done,I think Max will stay.He is what we can afford looking at our finances.Cos if you are thinking Pep is gonna work with Bonera,Yepes,Antonini,Traore and other scraps we got…THINK AGAIN..!!!!
September 9th, 2012 on 10:58 am
The problems in milan is not Allegri’s fault but rather the wicked mgt. How can bring a player to the team without consulting the coach. He is working with every crap thrown at him. No world class coach will be willing to use players like bonera,yepes,mesbah,traore and constant. U don’t expect to win trophies with these low-standard players. The mgt is the problem not Allegri.
September 9th, 2012 on 12:10 pm
@matt well said bro, am with you all the way. Just my thoughts too.
September 9th, 2012 on 2:20 pm
Elaine,u are a good writer but u seriously need to stop ‘Allegri drove away the senatori’cause.Their time was up and it’s obvious they wouldn’t be happy with a sub role and lastly pirlo can go hug an electric transformer for all i care.I lost all respect for him after he won the scudetto with juve(cuz that’s when he transformed from a guy i still respected although he was in a rival team)to an arrogant A-hole.
September 9th, 2012 on 3:39 pm
Could someone please tell me where I ever said “Allegri drove away the senatori?”
Allegri has fought with lots of players, including Ibra, Flamini, Cassano, and Mexes this calendar year alone. They aren’t senators.
His player relations are cancerous and it is well documented that squad discipline has gone down since he arrived.
I agree that it was long overdue for many of the senators to leave. But no one has bothered to ask me that. Why so many assumptions?
On the subject of Allegri, he has lost control of his dressing room. He has horrible interpersonal relationships with players over the entire course of his tenure at Milan, and it is hard to watch all of the fallout.
September 9th, 2012 on 5:55 pm
I am disappointed with the majority of the analysis here on Allegri not because I am a fan of Allegri but because I find most of the analysis to be totally off base.
The real problem here at Milan is not the coach, it is the management of the club which starts with Berlusconi and Galliani.
How can management or the fans expect the players to respect Allegri when upper management(Berlusconi & Galliani) publicly critize Allegri and his tactics?
Galliani totally undermines Allegri when buying players as we all saw in the recent rift when Galliani wanted to sign Ze Eduardo-some unknown underrated striker!
As if to say Milan’s main problem is strikers and not the midfield and defense which Allegri repeatedly ask the club for quality reinforcement!
How can management expect Championship titles when you sell the two BEST players and replace them with mediocre players?
And you all claim that Allegri does not having charm and charisma? Really?
Let me ask, did Capello and Sacchi have charm and charisma when they coached Milan? For those who dont know, they did not!
And lets talk about the brand of football at Milan, since the Berlusconi era. Apart from Sacchi and Ancelotti, Capello’s brand of football was the WORST I’ve ever seen at Milan. Worst than Allegri, and I’ve been a fan since 1986!
Allegri won the league with the best offense and defense in his first year. Capello won the league with the WORST offense and best defense and you people critize Allegri’s brand of football? LMAO!
Please know the statistics before rushing to critize!
That is the joke of the day! Maybe some people here should try to know Milan’s past before they talk about Milan’s future!
And lets put the coaching issue in the right perspective! How can Milan fan’s expect a coach of Guardiola and Mourinho’s calibre when the club can’t even sign top class players?
Do you all really believe Guardiola and Mourinho will risk their reputation and career to coach a club that cannot provide them with the best players?
Fellow Rossoneri’s, please stop being ridiculous and unrealistic!
If Milan Management gave Allegri the right support, the club would return to greatness!
Let’s for once criticize the right people(Berlusconi & Galliani)as they are the one’s who are responsible for Milan’s current disarray!
September 9th, 2012 on 7:28 pm
Hi Nick,
Appreciate your comment, but in addition to mis-attributing views, you misuse statistics.
Elaine expressed her view on Allegri, and you extrapolated it to all of our views. Furthermore, this was a piece on Allegri – not on the whole of the organization.
Knowing the statistics is not relevant to this. Scoring differentials are tangental at best to the quality of football, and even if they were relevant, that still wouldn’t matter because Capello had success with his “unattractive” football and Allegri has not. Call it the quality if you want, fine, blame the management for that, also fine. But do not argue that because they scored and didn’t concede that they played an attractive brand of football when the point of attractive football often is that it’s beyond simple statistics, let alone one in isolation without context.
No one is saying B&G are saints, however, your claim that no one seems to realize this is shortsighted as well as incorrect. The purpose of this piece was to discuss Allegri’s role in all of this, and I believe that was done. More can be discussed on these two certainly, but to take a piece that is directed at one topic and complain it doesn’t address another concern..
September 9th, 2012 on 9:12 pm
@Pete…thanks for the feedback. My comment was directed to everyone and not just Elaine. Secondly statistics is relevant to assessing a team particularly when making a comparison.
Capello’s team did not play attractive football to say the least and his statistics shows that especially to those who never saw Capello’s Milan.
My comparison to Capello and Allegri should point out that we have nothing to complain about with Allegri if our issue is attractive football.
No team plays attractive football and have the worst offensive record for a season! Therefore Allegri’s brand of football is more appealing to the eye than Capello.
Yes Capello won more titles, but he was given the chance and a team well capable of doing so as he inhereted the majority of Sacchi’s team, with a few minor changes. Imaging if Allegri had inherited Ancelotti’s team after the 2003 UCL success.
let’s be fair in our assessment of Allegri and not state claims that in my opinion are bias because of his lack of experience!
September 9th, 2012 on 10:54 pm
I guess my point was – attractive football cannot be defined by statistics. I don’t see how you could come up with any (even goals scored) that would really make an argument either way for me.
The fans expect Berlusconi’s famed “Champagne football” – by his own doing. He has claimed for 3 decades that this is what Milan does. If they are not attractive, as they were not under Capello, they had better be successful, which Allegri’s bunch aren’t. Blame B&G for that, but that’s just the reality of the situation.
He hasn’t shown with the limited resources he was given that he has the ability to coach a team with the resources. In short – I’d like to see some semblance of variance of tactics, and have seen none. He has the squad to vary his lineup this year – and if he doesn’t I fear there’s no excuse left.
September 9th, 2012 on 11:45 pm
@Pete..my point is that under Capello Milan played horrible and no one complained. All this talk about attractive football is really nonesense.
I used the statistics of Capello’s Milan and Allegri’s Milan to point out that Allegri’s team is playing attractive football to great effect compared to his predecesor Capello.
This is contrary to what most of everyone here is saying about Allegri’s brand of football. Because unless you and all the fans believe that the only attractive brand of football is that of Barcelona then maybe some of us are dillusional, as no team will play like Barca!
For a team to have the best offense and defense in the league, shows how much the team was balanced and Allegri proved that in his first season and would have done so last season had it not been for insurmountable injuries to key players!
And you mentioned that Allegri hasn’t shown much with the limited resources he has? Really Pete? This is the SECOND game of the season what are you expecting to see after two games? Lets reserve that comment until mid season, or preferrably the end of season.
Don’t forget that Allegri was choosen to coach Milan because of what he did with the limited resources at Cagliari!
Its hard for me to hear let alone believe that anyone who knows Milan’s past would be so quick to criticize Allegri’s style.
Capello became a legend at Milan because of what he did in the past; with a team he inhereted from Sacchi which included players who were at their peak like Paolo Maldini, Albertini,Savicevic, Boban, Donadoni Costacurta, etc…
Allegri is still presently coaching the team, let’s not undermine his accomplishments at Milan in his first and second season as that was no easy feat despite what some fans may think.
It is difficult for me to also believe that Sacchi is as great as most would like to think because coaching legends like Van Basten, Guillit, Rijkaard, Maldini, Baresi, etc… is a dream for a coach. In fact Sacchi was a huge failure after he left Milan. In essence, the stage was set for Sacchi and Capello to become legendary.
Let’s give Allegri his due respect and credit for what he has done and for what he has to deal with currently which includes; the financial crisis, injuries, and getting rid of old players that should have left more than three seasons ago.
None of his predecesors including Ancelotti, had the tasks he has with such limited resources (budget) and obvious lack of support from top management.
I will leave it at that Pete. Thanks again for the debate as we both are entitled to our opinion!
September 10th, 2012 on 4:33 pm
Barcelona is far from the only team in the world that play attractive football. Never said that, nor do I believe it. Swansea, Arsenal, Madrid, Dortmund, and this season Fiorentina all play attractive football. It’s a matter of taste, not of fact. Saying Allegri’s team doesn’t have the style of previous teams is not something dissected by statistics. It either appeases the eye or it doesn’t – and it doesn’t appease my eye personally. It may for others but I can’t speak for them. Goals are the ultimate end to football, however they do not reflect the quality necessary to build up to them, as all goals count the same on the scoresheet.
We have seen what Allegri can do with the resources – and far from me to judge him on this season. I argue he’s making important tactical strides from last year and possibly finally learning some of the lessons on width that he struggled to deal with from 2010 on.
I watched Allegri at Cagliari, and they played a good brand of football, however they did it with an attacking midfielder/winger in the midfield 3 (Lazzari) and a true trequartista in Cossu. He didn’t get either of those at Milan (Emanuelson nonwithstanding) and he’s gone his own direction with the formation. Good for him. It’s the same in 2012 as 2010. The philosophy hasn’t changed, especially with regards to midfield play, and that is alarming as width and multiple players attacking the wingbacks still beats Milan every time.
In any event, I recognize the job Allegri has done – as noted by MakAveli I used to be an Allegri supporter.He was under funded in transfers, but was given the squad in “back-costs” aka high wage players. Not as good as his predecessors, and that should be noted. I also think we land on the same argument, and are in agreement on the large points here. Cheers.
September 9th, 2012 on 6:21 pm
Flamini had burst up with him because he was not used and you know the reason likewise seedorf…and Ibra is a dictator and will go to the extent of dictating to the coach, which El sharawy confirmed.
September 10th, 2012 on 10:51 pm
The only reason why Allegri won the league was because there was no competition… i mean inter changed coaches .. mou- rafa- leo… juventus were nowhere to be seen , and napoli were jus beginning there revolution… I mean to even bring capello’s name into this is sacreligious.
Capellos record… 4 titles on the trot, when inter juve and samp were extremely strong.. milan went 58 games unbeaten …. they made it to 3 ucl finals on the bounce… absolutely humiliated barcelona, and then lost to an ajax team which has to be said was one of the greatest of all time… just look at those players and where they went onto play… in conclusion allegri is not all to blame for what is going on at milan but i will say 1 thing and that is his brand of football is extremely poor with poor results, and 1 more thing he has no tactical knowledge always playing the same formation and lack of substitutions..
September 9th, 2012 on 9:05 pm
Whoever the coach is and whatever he does is his problem and he will be held responsible for the reputation and the style of play concerning the club ,But as fans of Milan and others who watch football will understand that MAX so called great coach of Milan till date hasn’t made a good substitution and that itself makes him a stupid coach ,add to that his training regime and disharmony in the dressing room all credited to Max and he is such a dumb guy. People please stop making excuses and blaming B&G. Allegri is total shit and he will not handle big players, Even if B&G sign MESSI CR7 RVP FALCAO etc Milan will still have the same problem because Allegri is a silly minded stupid coach,Most guys like NICK here talk as if they have coached all over the world,infact they just watch the game on television. It is easy to notice that Milan players do not have good chemistry and they seldom understand what Max wants from them, And stupid people who keep comparing LEO with Allegri should understand that Allegri had a better team compared to what Leo had.
September 9th, 2012 on 10:19 pm
@nick, u are the man.
Everybody want their club to play like Barce and dat is d problem.
Why all these talk about Milan being a team dat plays Attrative football like there was never a time our football wasn’t attractive?
Like it or not, Milan is an Italian team and Allegri is an Italian coach! Whr u expecting to watch Samba Football?
Or didn’t you see his Cagliari team?
Leonardi played d so-called attractive football, yet wat did he have to show for it, even at Inter?
I don’t care if the style of play is attractive, as long as it is effective.
And d effectiveness of a teams play depends on d quality of players.
Madrids football is not attractive but with the players they have it is effective.
Same goes for Machester City.
September 9th, 2012 on 11:50 pm
@Kuchini…Thanks, I agree totally.
September 10th, 2012 on 1:05 am
@Kuchini…I meant I agree totally with your comment about Barca, Leonardo, Real Madrid and Man City. LOL
September 9th, 2012 on 10:23 pm
Elaine you’re expert for one thing and it’s babbling.
September 10th, 2012 on 1:19 am
Well, Stephan, I’m so very flattered that you recognize my expertise in something.
I wish I could say the same for you, but you’ve spelled El Shaarawy’s name wrong, not offered anything to the conversation at hand, and frankly, your insult was poor at best.
Perhaps if you had some expertise in writing about Milan, you would have been asked to be a part of this discussion, too?
Looking forward to your comments on Allegri. If they’re good, I’ll put in a good word for you. I may even babble on about you…
September 10th, 2012 on 7:26 pm
Nice one Elaine! I don’t know why everyone seems to have it in for you on hear. Personally I thought you spoke a lot of sense.
September 10th, 2012 on 1:52 am
Barcas champagne soccer is based on a built institution which starts from the youth sector and obviously our beloved milan does not av that setup.
statistics also shows that milan had the highest number of goals in d league in the last too seasons(best attack), juve had to go unbeaten to win d league.
u dnt xpect a coach to vary tactics wen he does not av d ryt players for such, my refference is milan v. Arsenal(2nd leg) wher after d match dsame pple askin him to vary tactics blamed him.
most of the complainin players ar thos who feel they shld get more playin time,I never heard Cassano (despite his craziness) complain abt him and we all know Ibras person.
finally if MAX is d most blamed coach,I’m sure Wenger is out of this world.
September 10th, 2012 on 2:42 am
Well Iam sorry because I spelled my name wrong I was writning fast and I don’t need to write the books to see the facts Iam Milan fan for over 12 years and not only that I love this team no matther what yeah Iam maybe arrogant(and Iam sorry because I offend you) but the facts are that Allegri is not the right man for this job right now.Why?It’s simple he’s young,his idea of football is from another time ,Allegri must realise that football is played with 11 players not 2 and 3.Last season and season before Ibra was reason why Milan achived so many thing.But now Allegri is coming out and saying we will fight for Europe ? That would say only an imbecile .Iam sure we have the right squad to challenge Juve but the coach is our main problem.Once more sorry pal
September 10th, 2012 on 8:30 am
Honestly, I enjoyed d debate and d argument frm every one. Atleast I knw we hv passionate fans dat want d best for d team. Let me ask those dat want change of formation or play from d coach should first asked dem self, wat characteristic of players do we hv? Wat formation suits dem most. I could remember last season d president asked for champaign football lyk barca, and he replied if u want dat kind of play u give me dat same characteristic of players. He make best use of d players he haz and not emulating any one or team which after our match wit barca most analists greeted him for dat. If we want different play or formation, let d writers first debate on our players and wat formation suits dem most den we can judge him base on dat cos for me he is making most of wat he is given ( I will appreciate critical analysis of d players please)
September 10th, 2012 on 11:42 am
Looks like I missed a lot. Why all the hate on Elaine? I think she is just calling a spade a spade. Hypocritic milan fans who supported Gattuso when we sang Ummo di Merda to Leonardo are crying for respect for Allegri
September 10th, 2012 on 12:02 pm
I remeber Pete used to support Max. First of, if leonardo was sacked then why is Allegri here? Leo had only Huntelaar and Flamini a signed. In his tenure Max has has Ibra, Cassano, Robinho, Boateng, Van Bommel,De Jong, Bojan, Pazzini, El Shaarawy, emmanuelson,Zapata,Acerbi,Montolivo,..and notice I’m just naming the good ones. No matter the bad stuff management does they ALWAYS do some transfer activity 14 signings in his 1st year 10 in his 3rd. They may not always be world class players but for a guy who maintains to play Bonera at the expense of Zapata makes you wonder whether it is indeed world class players that he wants
September 10th, 2012 on 12:49 pm
Lmao….Y’all make Nick look like Martin Luther King!
Way to go dude….keep schooling them!
September 10th, 2012 on 2:21 pm
Then make sure you don’t miss his class yourself. In this debate, you are both on the same side but you really say nothing. His argument is REALLY fLAWED but the fact that you think that is schooling makes me understand why you use that name
September 10th, 2012 on 4:01 pm
I could care less if his argument is flawed[which is not] but one thing for sure though-he makes loads of sense than you do…#Sorry To Be Blunt
September 12th, 2012 on 2:46 pm
@ Nick I appreciate ur objectivity and backing ur point wit statistics for all to see rather than most here whose arguement ar based on sentiments nd media clouded views.@milan 4 even if oda teams av problems bt ur team don’t win matches, u can’t win the league,so wateva prob those teams had is not our prob cause milan also had its problem last season(injuries).NB:witout his tactical knowledge Mou cld nt defaet his Cagiliari team wit trebble winning inter and struggled to beat his milan team wit d star packed madrid…in other news Mesbah has also complained abt Allegri,Elaine add that to ur list (lol).Forza Milan